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« Reply #75 on: January 10, 2010, 12:33:26 PM » |
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Zero Tolerance in the Workplace.
Every person has the right to a workplace that is fair and equitable and in which he or she is treated with respect and dignity. There Is positive pros in practicing zero tolerance. It protects the worker from bullies, violence and unprofessinal behavior or disruptive behavior.
There is cons on zero tolerance. If a person has a dispute with a coworker and in the heat of the moment raises their voice in frustration, the zero tolerance is in effect. They can be immediately written up regardless of how provoked that person was. After being written up there is a warning that if they as so much look at this worker the wrong way they will be fired.
In this case your livelihood depends on whether the coworker decides to report you again. Is that not living in fear? Is it ok for someone in the work place to have that kind of power over you? One wrong look, one wrong move and your out of a job.
Not only from the worker that reported you, but from any worker. Any report from any one there after will result in being fired. Another words if a worker is vengeful and wants to see your fired he can walk into the bosses office and say you gave him a dirty look.
I understand that there is definitely need for zero tolerance in the work place. But should there be more consideration taken in circumstances to protect the so called “victim”. I ask this because this very thing has happened to someone I know.
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« Reply #76 on: January 10, 2010, 01:15:42 PM » |
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My daughter has a multi-million dollar lawsuit pending right now with a very well known fast food establishment for sexual harrasment.
It is multi-million because not only her but her and 7 others, and also at the time she was only 15, she also worked for the establishment for 3 years. She did go through all channels, the thing that was is the harrasser, was the general manager, she has proof, he stalked her on her myspace, left messages on her cell, ask her to do out of the ordinary things like if you go here or there for me i'll make sure your position with us "moves up", also telling her that the only reason she was hired was he "wanted" a certain "something" from her. He did ask "favors" she refused and tried to brush it off as joking, but he was serious and she didn't like it and was very uncomfortable. Its kind of a long story of how she ended up caught up in this realm of evils, it was her first job and at first she was afraid to tell anyone. Alot of words were said behind her back, which hurt her feelings and also she was getting a reputation for things she never did.
She was transferred out of his jurisdiction, but as rumors fly she was harressed by others as well as being labeled the "blank blank slut", and when she tried to complain about that was told, that is the name she deserved. She never attended to any of his advances and at first tried to just brush it all off, trying to keep her job and having respect even though she never did a thing except her job.
She loved her job and tried very hard to keep it, but she ended up having with her heart saddened to resign her position, one she did work hard at.
When she left he was still working for the establishment. My point of saying that is it takes alot to really bring forth these charges, not many will beleive you unless she provide proof, which she has along with the others, but to think if she didn't have any proof other then her word.. would she of been beleived?
Recently she attended a meeting of the lawyers, its kind of like an interview where the other lawyers get to ask her questions, with her own lawyer present, one of the questions asked to her was "how many sexual partners have you had in the past 3 years?" the question was asked because of the name she was given, "blank blank slut" as though they had a "right" to name her that, her lawyer quickly slammed his hand down on the table and said.. "you do not have to answer that, no where and at no time or place of employment are you ever or any employee or employer are to label another employee a slut" alot of other personal questions were asked as if they were trying to justify it all..
I feel so badly for her that she had to endure this, when i found out i was furious, and i cried my heart out for her.
Right now she is doing good, and im happy for the lawsuit and that she was smart enough to save all transcripts and interactions with this man, she told me she just had a feeling things weren't right from the beginning that being started with so called "innocent jokes" so she saved everything.
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« Reply #77 on: January 10, 2010, 01:42:56 PM » |
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I think in this instance (Lips) there should be a time frame from which the accused harasser and the so called victim are under investigation say a week or two probation period.After that period expires the incident should all be resolved and making room for a second incident to arise. In the event the second incident does arises both parties should be under investigation. Again another warning and probation period. Upon the third incident theres should be enough evidence to determine who or what is the cause. It doesn't seem any different than watching two bickering sibling children blaming one another and by time and observation getting to the bottom of whom is doing what to whom and what is what? Sometimes the disciplines need to be equally distributed. And sometimes one person is the cause for all the problems Now with sexual harassment that is another story. No one should have to endure sexual harassment for any period of time. However it does help to have evidence and proof of the incident. The reason one must be ready to present hard evidence is because even the presumed sexually harassed person can abuse the accusations. #1. Would I abuse my powers by falsely accusing a person of harassment for my own personal gain. How many innocent people are there in prison for being accused of child molestation simply because the spouse wanted revenge? How many people have lost custody of their children for being falsely accused of neglect or abuse simply because the accuser wanted revenge? #2 If I am a voluptuous woman and chose to dress where it enhances my body does that give you a Right to address me in a sexual manner? No it does not> Nor does it give you the right to call me a slut. Nor does it give you the right to rape me and saying that I asked for it by the way I dressed. Wow Lips another great topic! I could go on and on. As for Imagination's daughter goes. Good for Her! The fact is your daughter needs respect and peace of mind that this man can't get away with anything he wants! I hope because of this lawsuit she can rest her mind better. better to take action than to do nothing at all in a case like this. There are many cases where it is better to do nothing at all...but this isn't one of them. |
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« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2010, 12:21:42 PM » |
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Hi Clay.. I really haven't met you yet. Not responding to all your debates...you have so much to say, and I only have a half hour lunch   ! Just wanted to say hi, and glad you are here with us, it's nice to have someone more opinionated than me around Nal  |
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« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2010, 12:35:08 PM » |
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Thank you nalgenie..glad to be here..everyone is so nice here.I just have one of those racing manic minds and love to get it out of my head .I do love chat,talk and debate!
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« Reply #80 on: January 11, 2010, 08:52:59 PM » |
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yeah, work needs to be run like a tight ship.
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« Reply #81 on: January 12, 2010, 09:59:44 PM » |
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I think in this instance (Lips) there should be a time frame from which the accused harasser and the so called victim are under investigation say a week or two probation period.After that period expires the incident should all be resolved and making room for a second incident to arise. In the event the second incident does arises both parties should be under investigation. Again another warning and probation period. Upon the third incident theres should be enough evidence to determine who or what is the cause. It doesn't seem any different than watching two bickering sibling children blaming one another and by time and observation getting to the bottom of whom is doing what to whom and what is what? Sometimes the disciplines need to be equally distributed. And sometimes one person is the cause for all the problems
Yes it should be this way but in many work places it is not. Zero Tolerance=Zero accuses. With Zero exceptions to the rule. That is why i am against it. As far as sexual harassment is concerned that has been implemented long ago, before Zero Tolerance came along. I don't think it was put in place for the purpose of sexual harassment. What makes it worse is there is Zero support from alot of the unions now. That's a whole new topic and can of worms. Unions are not for the worker for the most part.......they are out for the big wigs in the corporate world. Lips |
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« Reply #82 on: January 12, 2010, 10:05:06 PM » |
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Imagin,
There is nothing worse than for a female to have to endure sexual harassment and it happens all the time unfortunately. So many women are so hard pressed for jobs that many stick out and that makes it very sad.
Im happy to hear your daughter did the right thing. She was VERY smart to keep records. I know it had to hard on you too. Sounds like all is well and thats a good thing to hear!!
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« Reply #83 on: January 12, 2010, 10:13:48 PM » |
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"Every person has the right to a workplace that is fair and equitable and in which he or she is treated with respect and dignity. There Is positive pros in practicing zero tolerance. It protects the worker from bullies, violence and unprofessinal behavior or disruptive behavior."
Not only was her dignity and respect violated, she was bullied and tormented with and because of horrible gossip, pushed around as though she had no place there. New employess getting the untrue "scoop" made it continue.
If Zero Tolerance was in effect, maybe she would of had some sort of protection but at the same time 3/4 of the establisment would be without employees, so i think Zero Tolerance isn't the answer or maybe even the right thing to do.
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« Reply #84 on: January 12, 2010, 10:20:52 PM » |
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I think its deciding which is worse with zero tolerance. Being the victim of cruel co workers and employers with no protection or having no protection when falsely accused or not being able to explain your conduct.
From a personal stand point if i was in your situation i think i would be pro Zero Tolerance. It all depends what side of the shaft its coming from.
Either way will unfairness ever really end in the work place? Personally, i think not.
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« Reply #85 on: January 18, 2010, 11:47:16 AM » |
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i so no to ZERO Tolerance...people need to have the freedom to be rude and crude from time to time. I say yes to Aggressive Tolerance...people can not be rude and crude every second of every day...that's harassment
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« Reply #87 on: January 22, 2010, 10:04:51 PM » |
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Years ago, I served a couple of times as a professional witness regarding "insanity defense."
Bottom line: to REALLY be in a state where you don't know what you are doing is very, very rare. I does happen, but it is RARE.
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« Reply #88 on: February 10, 2010, 10:04:27 AM » |
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Hi Guys and Gals,
I am going to leave the debate section open for anyone who would like to post a good debate topic please feel free!!
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« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2010, 07:38:42 AM » |
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Nobody is above the law. Taking matters into ones hands is not the solution or having to fall under temporary insanity. There are provisions under the law that permits persons to act accordingly. One of those is self defense. Always make it appear you are under threat, life or death, then you can finish it. Go home and play online gambling after that. |
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