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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2009, 12:35:06 PM » |
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Satans....I think that is why we focus on a God who loves us despite our disposition to sin, and sin BIG! But, I DO feel "heaven" misses the point of Christianity. I think the whole Jesus-thing is about living a grace-full, loving, selfless life on earth. Why sould we want a reward for doing that? It would seem to defeat the purpose.
Also, "heaven" seems highly wishful thinking to me. I am very content living the best life I can following the Lord. I sure don't need heaven to make me want to do that.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2009, 01:46:54 PM » |
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"He
himself has said,
I will not in
any way fail you
nor give you up
nor leave you without support."
...hebrews 13:5
When there is faith,
there is love;
where there is love,
there is
peace; where
there is peace,
there is God;
where there is God,
there is no NEED.
**We need to feel more to
understand others
we need to love more
to be loved
back.We need to cry more to cleanse ourselves
We need to laugh
more to enjoy
ourselves...
We need to give more
and take less
we need to share more
and own less
we need to create a
world where
we can all
peacefully live
the life we chose we need to create a world where
we can trust
each other.**
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The Mind Doc
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2009, 02:17:55 PM » |
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Good words. I just want to be clear, I fully respect folks religious views. I am just joining this conversational thread on the subject of "heaven" by adding my 2cents. I am not coming at this from the point of I AM RIGHT and all others are WRONG.
That passage from Hebrews if very comforting. However, I don't see it saying anything about people going to a happy, Disney-like, afterlife. Now, having said that, I will be very satisfied if the good Lord proves me wrong!
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2009, 02:36:19 PM » |
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Doc,
We always we come to this forum and give our points of view. I'd like to think of it as a patchwork quilt. Each patch brings its own dimension as it changes. At the end of the day our quilt is complete.
I love the different aspects and point of views we share. Don't ever change. I hope none of us change. It's what makes us who we are.....the LCB family!!
Lips
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2009, 03:47:42 PM » |
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let's look at it this way; I believe in God and live my life accordingly and i die and was wrong what happens nothing right but lets say you don';t believe and you die and you were wrong Now what happens THINK about that one
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2009, 04:25:15 PM » |
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Well....I do believe. Meaning I believe in God and God's saving work. Do you think God will be harsh with me because I don't believe in heaven?
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nalgenie
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2009, 05:54:49 PM » |
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Hey Nan...
Where did this come from??
**We need to feel more to
understand others
we need to love more
to be loved
back.We need to cry more to cleanse ourselves
We need to laugh
more to enjoy
ourselves...
We need to give more
and take less
we need to share more
and own less
we need to create a
world where
we can all
peacefully live
the life we chose we need to create a world where
we can trust
each other.**
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Money talks...and mine says goodbye!
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2009, 11:25:26 PM » |
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Hey Doc, in your repsonse....who here hasn't done something that is considered bad for a good reason ?.....drug dealers for example...i'm not saying I agree with them, because I do belive that what they do is terrible, but how many people out there deal drugs to support their family simply because NO ONE will give them a chance and that is their last resport as to supporting their children....at what point do those people make the choice that harming and corrupting others is ok if that means putting a meal on the table for their kids, that otherwise would go hungry....I don't agree completely with the whole good or bad thearoy of life because people make choices based on their needs.......is it ok to hurt someone else if it helps another??? or vice versa??? you really have to know the entire story of someone in order to judge if their actions are right or wrong....and EVERYONE has a story!!!
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2009, 11:43:18 PM » |
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I serioursly hope you guys are all wrong about there being a heaven.....heaven is associated with the bible and has anyone read the bible lately?? How about just the 7 deadly sins?  Who here hasn't done something that is considered a sin?? If there is a heaven I don't kow a SINGLE person who's going there....I know alot of very good people, but that doesn't change the fact that they have done something the bible would consider a sin........Mcdonalds, with all the supersized meals would be considered a deadly sin, GLUTTONY anyone? I'm not sure who said it, but as someone else posted earlier, I also believe heaven is just something people think of to make themselves feel better, to give hope and possible to try and scare people into doing whats right for fear of going to Hell................................thats my 2 cents lol Dear God: If I make it to heaven, please don't make me look like this.. |
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2009, 04:00:16 AM » |
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Hey Nan...
Where did this come from??
Hey,nal...are you asking me why I put this poem in this thread or asking me where I found this poem... I add this poem to say this is one of way to go to heaven...if I offend any of you, sorry about that. |
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2009, 04:28:05 PM » |
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Hey Nan...
Where did this come from??
Hey,nal...are you asking me why I put this poem in this thread or asking me where I found this poem... I add this poem to say this is one of way to go to heaven...if I offend any of you, sorry about that. no silly..you didn't offend me. don't ever worry about that. i would be much more direct with you if i was..you should know that. i liked it, but was wondering if you wrote it, or if someone else did..bible,etc. i didn't see any quotes, so i thought maybe you wrote it. this board is the best freedom of speech i see...make use of it. anyway, no matter who wrote it...i like it  |
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2009, 05:26:00 PM » |
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Imagine theres no heaven,
no nothing left to live for,
All the love,
all the hate,
have only come from that one place.
See theres no heaven,
only hell on earth,
where people stand,
hand in hand,
and fight for what its worth.
No father to say "welcome home",
Or Jesus to hold you tight,
No angels to fight for your own life,
Oh, no your all alone.
We walk and talk,
with evil on our hands,
blood spilled top the grave,
and when our heroes left this land,
they died another day.
Bury the evil,
with these souls,
and set free faiths behold,
Bring me back to life.
For if there was no heaven,
then surely,
There'd be no life.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2009, 05:28:23 PM » |
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Hey Nan...
Where did this come from??
no silly..you didn't offend me. don't ever worry about that. i would be much more direct with you if i was..you should know that. i liked it, but was wondering if you wrote it, or if someone else did..bible,etc. i didn't see any quotes, so i thought maybe you wrote it. this board is the best freedom of speech i see...make use of it. anyway, no matter who wrote it...i like it Thank you,Nal!!! I am glad that you like this poem. It is from one of the book I own...whenever I feel sad, I read it and makes feel better to know that I am not alone... |
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