I am the "1 Percent" (The 1 Percent Strikes Back)

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  • I have been reading this thread since it started and kept telling myself..stay out of it! Mostly because there are different opinions and I admire all the people that make it without gov assistance. I'm one of them, raised 2 children  with no assistance what so ever, no gov assistance, no child support..nada..just work..while my friend stayed home, rent paid, utilities pd, foodstamps..everything.

    BUT this movement is not about who is getting help and who is not. This is about the control and greed that is happening and destroying our country. Wallstreet is getting richer by the day and Bankers get bonuses in the billions after screwing every day americans.
    Mr. MINDdoc, this is not directed at people that have a great business going. It is to protect the american dream of being able to have a business. Would you be able to collect a billion dollar bonus after you mismanaged your company and reporting a loss requiring tax payer bailout? I don't think so, but some people did.

    You may read about all the time how all this new products are implemented to save home owners from losing their homes. Well, the reality is that banks will not do what they supposed to do and nobody is stopping them because they have become so powerful.

    This needs to be stopped or all of our dreams will become history.
    the american dream is history now unless you're a banker. Wasnt the banks given a slap on the hand for to much lending. I get mail everyday preapproved for credits. The banks are back at it and gouging us all over again.
  • lagunagirl, I agree 100% with your post.


    The Mind Doc, I can't give you US names but I have a couple of Spanish ones...

    Some Banks speculate, mess with the economy and get richer and the rest of us has to deal with the consequences.



  • I'm living in spain..and can tell you that its really bad here...where i live in the country,,,no jobs at all.and i am not spanish, so it even harder.
    The nearest city is 25 km from here..on 11 may this year an earthquake there...its really scary over there daily buildings are falling down, heard yesterday 80% has to come down.....No work , no future..living here to survive.....and NO don't get money from the state !
    Easy leave the area ?....impossible.. Single mum with a daughter who is 12 just in highschool...glad the school-bus stops here...because if not i could not even bring her to school, and the school is 15 km from here.
    My old car of 25 years is dead too.....

    It's true what they always saying...rich getting richer...

    And this is not to complain, because i know a lot of people have it more worse then me.
    I am happy have a roof above my head, have food to eat, have my health, and my positive attitude.

    But think that the goverment and the high placed people, must work with their heart...to make the world a better place,


  • langunagirl

    Name one executive...just one, who got a "billion dollar bonus?"




    okay, this is just one..if you google 2009, 2010 you will find tons more. Profit down but bonus up.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/41076166/JPMorgan_Bonus_Numbers_Look_Good_But_Bankers_Are_Wary

  • If you add up everyone in the USA who got (multi million dollar...not billions) large bonuses, you are only talking a few hundred people.  And America is a free country.  If a business wants to give bonuses, for any reason, they are allowed.  We are not communists where the government has to have the say-so in such things.

    Shall we take their money...by force...and spread it around? 

    Even if you taxed the "1 percent" at 99% of income, the effect on the national debt would not even be noticable.  Trying to loot a few hundred people will not stop people's addiction to government handouts.  The government simply cannot continue to pay for all the food stamps, school grants, welfare, unemployment payments, the post office, government employees, etc. 

    Don't believe it?  Look at what happened to Greece.  They attempted to create a sugar-daddy government culture that not only has bankrupted Greece, but is dragging down the EU and harming the USA as well.

    My point is simple:  Don't be jealous of people who have more money than you.  And don't rely on the government to support you.  Be your own man/woman!

  • So you say that the goverment can not keep on paying for food-stamps, Sure they CAN !
    If people need them....goverment needs to help them....

    For example there is a family with 4 childeren mum or dad don't have a job..Childeren need to eat...need to go to school.....So  ohhh well own fould,, don't help them huh???
    What kind of world is this then ?

    But its not a problem to spend millions on War...
    People in the third world...don't help  them either huh? let them starve..let them be hungry...OMG  this is to sad for words.

    Greece yeah stupid....but who did that all ?  not the farmers,, not the hard working people.....think its all the high placed people,,,the goverment...people with power....
    And Money is the only thing that gives you power..

    Me , No iám not Jealous of people who has more then me..

    And i totally agree..don't Abuse the System..They are there for a reason...They are there for people who Need it.

  • I only read the first page so far but am responding before I read further.

    Thank you, Doc!

    I grew up pretty privileged.  My parents paid for my college, apartment, car, insurance, etc. UNTIL I graduated and then I was on my own.

    First job, at age 15, paid $2.84/hour.  I worked as hard at that job as I do now as a business owner. 

    My business is a medical billing company and it drives me nuts how many people get free care.  Not only public aid but 'free care' from the hospital.  Nine out of ten times when I call one of those patients, I wake them at noon and you can be sure it's not because they worked the night shift.

    I have very strong opinions regarding folks getting government handouts for alcoholism, anxiety and others but I will refrain from voicing those opinions.

    I see welfare as a TEMPORARY stepping stone until one gets themself back on their feet.  It is not and should not be a 'way of life'. 


  • so not even one comment about what doc said to me, unbelievable


    I'll comment.  

    As a self employed small medical business owner who works my ass off every day to provide for my family, pay my mortgage, buy groceries, help my daughter pay for college, pay for my kids sporting activities and on and on... I think Doc was spot on.  I also don't think anxiety should qualify for government assistance.  Nor  do I think alcoholism should.  

    It is my opinion, which you asked for.  I, like Doc, don't want to offend but you asked for a reply and you got an honest one.

  • So you say that the goverment can not keep on paying for food-stamps, Sure they CAN !
    If people need them....goverment needs to help them....

    For example there is a family with 4 childeren mum or dad don't have a job..


    Uh, mom and dad with 4 kids and no job.  That is the problem right there.  They should get a job, any job, 2, 3 or 4 of them if necessary.

    WHY is it the governments responsibility to pay parents who keep having kids they can't afford?!?

  • 1) your a total hypocrite
    2) you like to play god of some sort and believe only the people you see fit should get help
    3) you only help certain people thinking you might possibly get something in return as in sexual favors of some sort
    4) your just plain out full of $hit and a lier

      I also find it increadibaly amusing how you can sit there and throw the term fat around, call people obese and tell them to eat a piece of fruit when YOU are in no kind of shape yourself! Man, i'm sitting here at my computer laughing my butt off on that one!



    Wow.

    I'm surprised at such personal attacks, satan.  Way out of line if you ask me.  Doc spoke his opinion, which he is entitled too, and never spoke one word against you.  He actually replied with much more restraint than I would have.

    BTW Doc... you look great and perfectly in shape to me.  If you weren't, who cares?  That is not what the subject is about. If anyone tries to say it is... think again.  If Doc was obese, he wouldn't ask for gov. help because of it. smiley

  • A few years ago i was talking to this lady,we got into a discussion about rent she told me she was paying only 35.00 a month for her house and the rest was paid by a government agency, she explained she signed up waited a few months until she was accepted, she had to go out and find a house owner that accepted the program she was on, which what home owner wouldn't go for garanteed rent payments, i asked how, she said because she wasn't working and had children, said that if she got a job her rent would go up and she doesn't want that to happen (wow.. reason NOT to work.. she has no disease, mental illness or obesity) okay the kicker in this is she's been not working for 6 years.. PURPOSELY.. this woman is in no way suffering, and if she's doing this how many others are? I'm paying 900.00 a month for my house, they only difference between me and her is she's "purposely unemployed" she has way more then i could ever own.. is tax money wasted or should this continue.. i mean a woman got a home and the home owner has his mortgage paid..


    Sounds similar to one of my sister in laws.  She makes $80.000 a year and somehow got an 'agency'  to help pay for her new home.  She only had to pay materials....all labor was volunteered.  Her house was a dirty piece of crap the first year. I guess she didn't value it the way she would have if it was her blood, sweat and tears that paid for it. 

  • IF you want....PM where I can send you a gift card to your favorite restaurant. 


    Can I have one too?

    :)

  • I grew up pretty privileged.  My parents paid for my college, apartment, car, insurance, etc. UNTIL I graduated and then I was on my own.



    Gabby, you just said it all right there....you had a privileged life and had mommy and daddy to help you out UNTIL you were able to help yourself. So therefore you wouldn't understand the need for such benefits. Not everyone can say they got the help in life to get ahead. I didn't go to college until I was 28 years old, and YES I got government grants to do so. Had I not recieved these grants to go to school and get myself a career I too would be one more person living off the rest of these befefits.And trust me, I'm paying it back big time with over $600 coming out in taxes every other week. I agree 100% that these benefits should be temporary and it's sad to see so much abuse go into the system, but the whole point of it is to help people get ahead. In my case I don't feel I used your tax dollars to put me through school...it was just a loan that I paid back in less than 6 months and will continue to keep paying for the rest of my life, but I'm not complaing about it one bit.

  • I didn't get any help from my parents so I had to work in order to pay for college, I had my first job at the age of 17 and kept on going since then. No government help after the age of 18 either so I guess you don't need any help as long as you have two arms, two legs and a fairly functional head on your shoulders. It would have been a lot easier with some help, I know that, but I guess there are people that need assistance from the government more than I did.

  • The problem with going to college is in the US is the cost. It is insane to even attempt to pay for it all yourself. It is literally impossible. We have no choice but to get loans and struggle to get grants and hold our breath that we qualify.

    Of course the gov wants it that way so they get a piece of the pie off the interest of the loans.

    College in the US isn't about being proud and paying for it yourself unless you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Going to a decent college will cost a student 40k and up per year.
    Who can afford that? It would wipe out their parents if they are even lucky enough to have cash on hand and as a full time student you can only work part time and basically all that covers is your day to day survival needs.

    We are blaming so many people for abusing the system but at the same time, the times have gotten so bad with the economy we are left with no other choice. Hell even in good times there is a small margin of students who could pay hefty tuition.

    We pay into Social Security benefits and Unemployment insurance so its not a hand out. I am just defending those who need it. Yes there is abuse where people are driving fancy cars and are eating filet steak for dinner off link cards (free food card) and it does make me mad like it does all of us.

    But lets not judge everyone for truly needing assistance. If you managed to survive without it and struggled and had sleepless nights wondering how you are going to pay the mortgage i don't understand why you wouldn't seek help. You are a legitimate case to qualify until you can get your feet on the ground.

    Besides is it really free? No it's not because it comes out of our paycheck every week. The government created this mess and took and spent what we put into benefits and now we point fingers at each other for using this resource. If we should blame anyone it's the government.

    Lips
  • satan:
    Yes, I was lucky to start off without debt, not that I've never had any in my life.. trust me, I have and do!

    I think the topic got blurred along the way.  I said I thought government assistance should be temporary. If someone loses a job and needs help until they get back on their feet to support themselves, I'm all for it.  Anyone can fall on hard times.

    Same thought about college tuition.  I agree with Lips, it's so dam expensive and the majority need help to pay for it.  The difference, for me, is getting help to pay for college helps one support themself in the longrun which is totally different than the freeloaders who take welfare for life with no intention of providing for themselves.

    I don't know how we as a society can change things.  My daughter is in her 3rd year of college.  She went to community college for 2 years so she could be debt free.  Not so for her 3rd year and 4th year.  She, like so many others, will start her adult life with a big debt to pay back. 


  • But lets not judge everyone for truly needing assistance. If you managed to survive without it and struggled and had sleepless nights wondering how you are going to pay the mortgage i don't understand why you wouldn't seek help. You are a legitimate case to qualify until you can get your feet on the ground.

    Lips


    I agree with everything you wrote but quoted this part because I think this sums everything up. 

    We are lucky to live in a nation that offers help to those that need it 'until they get their feet on the ground'.
  • After a two or three week grace period, People who receive unemployment should work for the local community/state as they receive their benefits at least 24 - 32 hours a week.  THEY SHOULD DO SOMETHING for this money even if it is technical or trade training.  You would be amazed how fast people would find jobs if it was inconvenient for them to receive benefits.  Also ,  how is it that statistically unemployed people are able to find jobs within two weeks after their unemployment benifits have been terminated.  I think this is because people believe they deserve the benefits as "a right" and are under the impression that "why should i work when i can get money for free"  is a good attitude to have.  I have had several employees that after they were laid off "and maxed out on benefits" remained unemployed for the entire time (2 years or more i believe) while making absolutely no effort to find employment.  I am the one who still pays for this as a business owner because my Unemployment Rating Factor (which determines how much a business pays) has skyrocketed.  This is just one of the many reasons why small business owners are collectively frustrated with the "lazy" attitudes that our current society deems acceptable.  THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

  • dabigdog:
    You are so right.  A neighbor of mine was collecting unemployment.  I was shocked as he boldy told me he was offered a great job but told them he could only work 2 days a week so he could keep getting his unemployment checks.

  • The truth was plain to me 2 days ago when I went to my local Walmart for a MO. I then wanted to break a $20 and so I bought a small pack of cookies. At the end of each checker stand, was a pallet of soup cans of different varities.

    I asked the checker what this was for. She said it was for a food drive and that you could buy a can and drop it in the food donation bin.

    "We're supposed to ask each customer if they'd like to buy one and donate, but after being turned down so often, I guess people are just out for themselves and so I don't bother with that at all" I didn't buy a can, but I did stop and watch other checkers.

    None of them asked anyone to donate, guess the checker was right, why bother asking to help when people won't?

    Plus, Walmart was making bank on this anyway...Not only corporate greed, but individual greed can derail a cause.

  • Follow this threat,,and also comment on it..

    What i also hear here is a lot of frustration...

    There is always a difference in people..

    If you now people personally,,and now there situation,,,then you can say your opinion...but you can not put everybody in one box.

    Not everybody can have his own company,.....who will work for you then????

    So there will always be a difference.

    Good and bad people.
    Postive and negative people
    Hard working and lazy people
    Lucky and unlucky people...(believe me it exists!)
    Good area wrong area...(even that can put a stop on people's future)

    Not everybody is the same.....

    Some people need help,,,and often they also need positive people around them to go on in life.

    So if you can help someone yourself....just do that...if you think its right,,and think you make their life a little better, and you can ....why not ? what do you have to loose.
    Even i did that (not with money..just have enough to live)....but with clothes....food.....but the smile and thanks you will get...for me thats just great.

    I talk to much now...but common people...just do what is the good thing.....and don't worry about all the other things......You can not do a lot about it...just complain about it....

    Almost weekend...enjoy your family and friends.....

  • To all.....Keep in mind, while we may be jealous of the rich, no one has ever gotten a job from a poor person. 

    As much as this galls the "99 percent", a free market economy needs wealthy capitalist to create and expand jobs.

    Why not soak the rich more?  More taxes for the rich!!!  Really?  The top 1% pays over 40.4% of all income taxes.  By contrast, the bottom 95% pays 39.4%. 

    Giving free houses, forgiven student debt, endless unemployment checks, 45 million people on food stamps, and increasing the number of Federal workers, may seem like a nice populist "fix."  But in actuality, it is tanking the entire economy which further hurts the 99%. 

  • Wow...what an amaing reply suleika!! Between you and Lips you guys seem to get the bigger picture instead of people who are fortunate enough to be well off complaining they have to pay taxes to those who are "below" them

  • Thanks Satansmuff seems you understand what i mean.....

    Mind doc with all respect  "To all.....Keep in mind, while we may be jealous of the rich, no one has ever gotten a job from a poor person. 

    Why  are you saying this ?? Make no sense ! No one has ever gotten a job from a poor person  exclamation
    Seems like you don't even like people who have less then you. !

    Complaining about tax ?...complain by the goverment..they make the rules, not the "poor people"

    "Poor People",,,who wants to get a better life by getting a student loan, WHATS WRONG ABOUT THAT ?

    With all the respect again Doc...you only talk about Numbers....Not about the people....

  • Like the old saying...money is the root of all evil and I guess it is really true.When you care more about money than your fellow man,it doesn't say much about us as a human race,does it?? As I stated before on this thread,I've been homeless and on the other end of the spectrum and truthfully,I'd rather be poor and have a heart and care about my fellow man than rich and not care about anything except money,and how much better i am than the fat,lazy,depessed and unemployed and look down on those less fortunate as if they are not good enough to breath the same air as me!! I hope for those of you that feel you are better than them,you never have the rug pulled out from you and God forbid become one of them.

  • No one has ever gotten a job from a poor person??? Have you in fact talked to EVERYONE to KNOW this information...? My very own mother right before she sold off all her businesses was in fact in the whole big time which is why she cut her loses and took what little she got from selling off and moved to another country. But during the time when she was broke and losing money constantly SHE hired 2 of my friends and gave them jobs although there were no positions available and she wasn't making the money to pay them not only did she give them jobs but instead of people paying her she was paying them to learn a skill.She hired those girls and for 8 hours a day she did nothing but train them how to be a seamtress, I skill they can take with them and find a good paying job with. do you even have any idea how much sewing lessons would cost a person?....Their paychecks came right out of HER life savings, so please don't go around saying things you just assume! I'm sure if my mother has given out jobs when she didn't have the money then there are more people out there who do the same...and why??? Because they have HUGE hearts plain and simple! she had absolutely nothing to gain from hiring those girls and teaching them a trade but she did it because she saw they were in a bad spot and did whatever she could to help them out and try to give them a better future...FOR NOTHING!

  • Nice post suleika... but, the point I got from the original thread was how many people do nothing for themselves and want the
    government to provide for them. 

    Of course each of us should help make someone else's day brighter and sometimes all we can offer is a smile, like you said, and a smile can go a long way.

    I have made several posts in this thread and I don't put anyone in a box.  I see, on a daily basis in my work, those that abuse the system and THOSE are the lazy one's I'm speaking of.

  • May I add one last word on the subject or kind of on the subject....

    As I have said before, I am a company owner.  Sadly, I lost my biggest account to a forced hospital buyout and my salary dropped by 90%.  I don't miss working 90+ hours a week but I need more than I have now so... my friend and I are starting another business.  Who knows how it will go but I think there is a need out there.  

    Here is a very rough sample of a flier. I removed personal info.   We are setting up meet and greets at a few senior apartment buildings.

    Senior Care Services
    We want to make your life easier!

    Let us come to your home and help you do things that may be hard for you to do yourself.

    Light housekeeping
    Projects around your house or apartment; clean a closet, your fridge, hang a picture or plant a flower.
    Pick up items at the store or pharmacy.
    Personal shopping
    Take you shopping for clothes, birthday/Christmas gifts, etc.
    Read you a book
    Paint your nails
    Help sort through medical bills


    We want to help make your life easier so if something is not on the list, just ask.

    This is a great service and helps ease the mind of those whose family lives out of state.... to know someone is
    checking on and helping their loved ones.

    If you or someone you know may be intersted in learning more, please call....

    Looking forward to hearing from you.





  • Even though i see this severe abuse right in my face everyday, even though it makes me so angery, i will say i am very blessed to be the hard working contributor to be paying the taxes that help those that are not so lucky, educated, or healthy enough to work (it is a blessing nowadays to even have a job) and not be that of the needy, although i could very well be.

    Thank You Lord.. Im blessed with what i need everyday...

  • I look at this thread and i am the 79th post with nearly 2000 views and i think to myself never have emotions run so high and it's the result of a deteriorating economy.

    I think there is a deeper issue here among us all. It goes way beyond some schmuck abusing the system. We have come to the point that we are now a nation of dire straits. Abusing the system doesn't even make a dent in the critical state we are in.

    It's not your fault nor mine and need to shift the blame where it belongs. It's about greed, the type of greed that corrodes a nation lead by an incompetent government. It's about power between two political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans who refuse to compromise.

    It's about people losing their jobs, homes and their life savings. It's hard to accept and adjust to what has happened and there is no relief in sight. We believe in our country because it was built upon the American dream and at one time that dream was attainable.

    We fight hard to protect this great land and our roots and defy anyone who dares to put it down. But i think its about time the American people fight back. Not against each other but against the system.

    We the people did our part and lets give credit where credit is due.

    Shame on the real abusers........

  • Even though i see this severe abuse right in my face everyday, even though it makes me so angery, i will say i am very blessed to be the hard working contributor to be paying the taxes that help those that are not so lucky, educated, or healthy enough to work (it is a blessing nowadays to even have a job) and not be that of the needy, although i could very well be.

    Thank You Lord.. Im blessed with what i need everyday...
    Spoken like a true American!

    @gabby bless your heart to never give up and i wish you must success another true American!
  • For lips post.....


    Times are indeed dire.  I am shocked when I drive by malls and restaurants and see jam packed parking lots.  My daughter works at Red Lobster and they have an hour long wait list every night.  I don't know how some are not affected in the least while so many are struggling so.

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    All is perfectly said....



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  • Omg that is so true about restaurants and stores jammed packed with customers. You would never know there is a crisis at all.

    I read an article not too long about this very subject. Wish i could remember where but it explained how and why this is happening. The article said that a lot of middle america is not affected yet and while the government is seriously in the red there is still those people who have been lucky enough to keep right on plugging along with jobs and cash flow.

    It also said it would take awhile before we are all hit by the current deficit.

    Lips
  • You know.. it's not that anyone here would be jealous or are jealous of someone who is rich, i think most would simply like to have money to do the things we want, for say just once pay our most important bills with out sweating it being worried about how you are going to pay the next... go grocery shopping WITHOUT a budget, have a full tank of gas instead of that 1/4 tank that we putt putt around in trying to get to work.. but to be honest, and i'm very sincere with this.. i wouldn't be that person standing in that hour long line waiting to eat lobster.. i'd be that person who is at the front of that hour long line serving up and providing that homeless/needy/hungry person with food and whatever the weather type clothing or personal items they need.. i know that can't save the world but i know for some it will put a smile and give them some sense of warmth that we are out there for them.. i would be making alot of donations i do it now with the little i do have..

    On a sidenote..I was reading once about one of the richest men in the world,one was a saudi prince (sheik) it was something like that.. how they get so rich is what i think about... oil?  but it said that at the age of 19 he had over 35 billion.. what on earth are you going to do with that all that money? It stunned me to think about it, it showed his collection of 200 of the best cars in a garage he built, his elaborate home fixtures made out of gold alot of other things you can only imagine with 35 billion dollars how many people can you give just 1 million to?


  • Hello together, I was trying to read the whole topic but after some pages I became really dizzy. I am to some extent astonished about some people's views, and I guess it is this forum having members from all over the world that mentalities are so different. It seems to be that in the USA thoughts like "you can reach everything if you just try hard", "you get what you deserve" etc. are far-spread? Of course there are people in Europe who talk like this too, but I guess more people here would frown upon sayings like that.

    I'd find it far too exhausting to debate about the details of how much rich people should give exactly and to whom exactly help should be given and how much exactly. But I am convinced that people having not enough to eat or having nowhere to sleep is disastrous, and people working more than 8 hours a day and having hardly enough to live is disastrous too - and so on - and the world as a whole is being organised in a way that all these disastrous things happen, thus it is organised badly. And that alone is enough reason for protests all over the world being justified. I strongly sympathize with this "movement". The world is being organized in a way that NOT everyone is able to "make it if they try hard". And honestly it makes me sad how many people think that all the poor ones are to blame instead of feeling solidarity with humanity at large. And honestly I think many things have been said in this thread that are thought distressingly nearsightingly. May I quote one thing for example.



    Uh, mom and dad with 4 kids and no job.  That is the problem right there.  They should get a job, any job, 2, 3 or 4 of them if necessary.

    WHY is it the governments responsibility to pay parents who keep having kids they can't afford?!?


    And if mom and dad don't get a job, for which reason EVER, you can debate for hours wether it's their fault or not, but the children are not the least to blame, they haven't got the least influence to this decision. If they don't get the chance to learn as much as other children (education), or don't even get enough to EAT, this is so essentially unfair - everyone must understand this and think the same way, leastwise and for a start.
  • ^^ Call me nearsighted all you like.  If someone wants to keep having kids, they should provide for them, not the government. If you are not living in the US, does YOUR country provide money every month for all expenses and add more funds monthly if you keep adding more kids??  Does this 'benefit' go on for life if you want it??If they need help for a month or two, fine, beyond that.. I don't think so.

    BTW:  Education in America is free.  You can also get free breakfast and lunch at school in America.

    Anything else I'm nearsighted on you want to point out?

    Another thing:  I find it funny how you point ME out but looking at all of your posts, all you do is redeem free chips and hope to cash out.  Seems to be the 'way of life' for many.  Wanting something for nothing.

  • This thread makes me glad I've been sick and away from LCB for awhile. 

  • No, "my" country doesn't, quite the contrary is the case. I live in Germany and if a child is born in a "lower class" familily in this country, it will likely stay that way for lifetime, the statistics are more dramatic than in some other European countries where prospects for poor kids are a little better.

    It was not my interest to insult you, but well we really cannot discuss the least if you think children must not be helped if their unemployed parents where so "irresponsible" to bring them to life.

    Yes I know that neither in America nor in Europe people do suffer hunger, but they do in the world (and politics of all countries are connected), and I know that school is free. But university is not in America. And in Germany kids are selected very early between "good" "middle" and "bad" ones and going to different school types, and the poor ones most likely are sent to the bad schools.

    Uh I redeemed 15 free chips the last 12 months, now you've got me (-: It was more or less coincidence I pointed out YOU, could've quoted someone else, it was just while reading through the thread, when I read your sentence about the unemployed parents with their many children I thought okay, that's a good example I can respond to.

  • What Gabby was trying to say and how i understood it is..

    A mom and dad with 5 children in the welfare system already, and in the welfare system since the first childs birth is benefiting tremendously..the reason is  with every child born into the family the money is raised and so are the foodstamps by hundreds of dollars,theres no incentive to stop having children, when the more you have the more you get, not only that the medical expense of having the child is paid.. verses going out to find a job which you wouldn't get nearly as much.. AND you have to go out to work very hard for it, single mothers do this to avoid having jobs, they live somewhat comfortable for 5, 10, 15 years.. can and does a family with 5 children need more children in the family, when neither parent is working? This is just a scenerio thats so true and real in parts.. Why can't they make the desion to STOP having children they cannot afford, but why.. because the GOVERNMENT WILL PAY FOR IT.. no this is not any childs blame.. having a child should be planned, be ready for and celebrated.. not  taken as .. "well now we'll get a welfare raise and more foodstamps" invest in pregnancy protection..birth control.. you can get condoms for free, having a job will in some way help in the birth control situation.. they a re too tired or too busy to makemore babies..or maybe getting a sense of what it is REALLY like to raise a child.. so to be so blunt if i am.. its just realness is all

  • We have a system,which maybe some forgot about and that is in America "no child shall go hungry".. and i will say that we ALL get together and make this true for the most part our children are fed.. what i see is it's not the government that fails in this.. but the parent.. an example is selling the foodstamps for cash for addictions or other uses, or giving "the man" in your life money from the cash benefit to buy his beer and sit under the street lamp with his buddies all night and then sleep all day and wait for the next.. so many are careless when it comes to children..why?.. because they had the children to get the benefits and have no desire to uplift themselves when everything is handed right to them monthly.. unfortunately children suffer.. and i HAVE SEEN this and tried to help trust me you are only labeled as an interferer, or in some way will be taken advantage of.. most of the cases of child hungarment are from the neglect of parents, rather then do something about feeding your child you have other things to do, in turn be comes a sad case..

  • I have to agree with imagin on this one and do not think gabby meant in the light you thought. It's not that no one should seek help who need it. It is about abusing the system and relying on the government with a mentality of "you owe me" while others who may desperately need it get denied because of this abuse.

    Everyone in life deserves a chance and if the gov can provide for those who can not make ends meet then i think we all agree they should get it. But to abuse it and abuse the funds allocated for that is wrong.

    Lips
  • people should get a chance ...........with strings tied.......dont support someone who is not willing to improve themselves or their situation.....pull the plug on the freeloaders and those who truly need help will APPRECIATE it and work their asses off to get out of the situation that currently holds them back. because of the abuse,  people who have worked hard their whole lives and are finally close to being financially sound dont like whole welfare distribution theme that is prevelant in todays society.  The USA needs to quit carrying all of the freeloaders both here and abroad,  let people fail and fall on their ass if that is what they deserve........so the next generation will be based on reality and not the fantasy we prescribe to now. 

  • Thanks guys for explaining my own thoughts better than I could.

    I'm not the kind of person who wants children to go hungry, trust me. 

    I volunteer at the homeless shelter once a month and we have 'adopted' families whose father has lost his job.  One dad had SEVEN children he couldn't feed.  I have spent thousands of my own money.

    Darn it.. Didn't want to go and sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but this is something I do because I want to help those less fortunate. 

    Big difference than those who have never lifted a finger for themselves. Never tried to get a job or education.  Those that live off the government because their moms did and their grandmas did and now their kids will.

  • Well I understand what you are saying but:

    - If people abuse the help system, shouldn't we come up with a better system to help those who are in need? Leaving the "freeloaders" on their own can cut expenses but may affect other stuff like the crime rate and condemn to poverty another generation . The government has to provide assistance to break the poverty spiral. Maybe the way the money is spent to help people is not the right way but that doesn't mean we have to stop helping.

    - Remember that the government of a country represents all its citizens not only the ones that have money.

    - Also all this is different from occupy wall street which is protesting against the ones who caused the economic crisis like banks etc. Rich people who took care of a system that we also have to change. Is not about rich people in general....




  • a freeloader is a freeloader no matter what the rules/ requirements are.  We need to adjust the current rules/requirements to get rid of the freeloaders and help only those willing to IMPROVE their own situation.  Currently we are not breaking any poverty spirals......we are creating/promotiong/enhancing and allowing them to continue as a right.

    ......and about the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement........larry , moe and curly couldnt bring the stooge population up hanging out with this crowd.  These people are the people we have been talking about for the last seven pages of this thread.  They need to get a clue, a job and a life.  Go figure


  • ......and about the OCCUPY WALL STREET movement........larry , moe and curly couldnt bring the stooge population up hanging out with this crowd.  These people are the people we have been talking about for the last seven pages of this thread.  They need to get a clue, a job and a life.  Go figure


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  • Well I understand what you are saying but:

    - If people abuse the help system, shouldn't we come up with a better system to help those who are in need? Leaving the "freeloaders" on their own can cut expenses but may affect other stuff like the crime rate and condemn to poverty another generation . The government has to provide assistance to break the poverty spiral. Maybe the way the money is spent to help people is not the right way but that doesn't mean we have to stop helping.

    - Remember that the government of a country represents all its citizens not only the ones that have money.

    - Also all this is different from occupy wall street which is protesting against the ones who caused the economic crisis like banks etc. Rich people who took care of a system that we also have to change. Is not about rich people in general....







    When you said " I understand what you're saying, BUT",  the but negates every word prior to the but.

    You said the government HAS to provide assistance.  Why?

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