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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2009, 05:45:04 AM » |
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For me this is not the question of ethics, for me this is the matter of common sense. Theres a lot of injustice in this world, thers so many ppl that are less fortunate than us. We live in a society that inflicts the norms, and we live by these norms. But following them dont necessarily mean doing the right thing.
Sometimes you have to break the rules in order to do the right thing. Would I steal for a stranger, I probably wouldn't... would I help the stranger, yes I would ...
Would I steal for my family and friends , in a heart beat....for a dog, well that's family too...
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2009, 06:00:33 AM » |
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Let me take this to another level. For those who would steal to get meds to save a loved one: Are you fine with someone in that situation stealing from you? In other words, if you come home today and discover a medicine needy family has broken into your house and stolen items/ money, etc. you feel that would be okay?
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2009, 06:58:58 AM » |
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I had med's stolen from me not items.I had a spinacord stimulator put in twice this year and take many med's, oxycodone is just one.Well I had just gotten my scripts filled and my oxy's, i get 240 tablets a month.That same day, I had many visitors, alot of college kids, and a girlfriend of 8 years, along with her 2 year old son.Well, the college kids hung around, doing what they do, listen to their music, had a couple of beers etc. and well, this girlfriend went in my bathroom (where I kept my med's) and decided to give her son a shower, he had gotten "dirty" from playing outside playing with my 8 month old lab, I thought how odd? Like why not just take a washcloth etc., but anyways? Later I went to go pee, and yes the door was closed, she walked in on me and began talking with the door wide open!The look on my face "are you *$*%^ kidding me?" she actually walked away, leaving the door opened!I about almost died,couldn't believe what had just happened!Well, finally all left and it was time to take my med's, guess what? My oxycodone was more then 1/2 gone!Now I had just goten it filled that day (240) and i had about 90 in there.I couldn't believe it,how could someone take my med's knowing the pain I am in?AWFUL feeling.I know who took them and it wasn' the college kids either. I didn't take her phone calls for the longest time, she actually called 15 times one day and left many messages, she acted very nervouse and she knew I knew.She still plays dumb with me, but I know.I now hide my med's, how pathetic.I won't call her out on it, just to be lied too?How's that?
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 10:55:38 AM » |
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Well, I'd ptobably consider the illegal act...I'd probably beg though and make it as public as possible.
Stranger? No.
Dog? No. My older sister paid out $1,400 for hip surgery for her dog, I didn't say anything as I knew she loved her, but I'd have had the final shot given as I'd not be able to afford it.
In our lives we face many challenges, to say "Well, I will steal to keep the one I love alive" is a tough question with an equally tough choice.
I'd prefer to exhaust all avenues before I'd steal though.
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"Today, most of the good people are afraid to be good. They strive to be broadminded and tolerant. It is fashionable to be tolerant but mostly tolerant of evil and this new code has reached the proportions of demanding intolerance of good."
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 11:07:06 AM » |
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Our government and politicians have ripped us off all our lives.......(some of them even do it legally!) and many of us could very well find ourselves facing such an ordeal if such medication were needed! and if you needed it fast...couldn't wait to go through the red tape......
Would I steal to save a loved ones life...in an instant. No two ways about it.
And yes, see we would be thinking about having to pay the consequences and would be willing to do so.
for the dog....sorry. I've got kids to think about.
Besides...all dogs go to heaven!
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2009, 11:31:53 AM » |
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for my loved one yup..they can visit me in prison, i couldnt pop by Heaven to say hi...pets..i love em but no....even being vegetarian, people come first..id PAY 4k for my pet, but wouldnt go to prison for it, lol
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 01:17:58 PM » |
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To qualify my earlier statement -
I would certainly not go knocking door to door asking if there is anyone there who is dying and needing me to go steal medication for them.
Like Genenco, If I was a person's last hope, then I would go public and say this person is dying and without the medication they will not make it,etc. If worse came to worse I would steal it. At least I'd like to think I would ...
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« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 01:29:52 PM » |
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Let me take this to another level. For those who would steal to get meds to save a loved one: Are you fine with someone in that situation stealing from you? In other words, if you come home today and discover a medicine needy family has broken into your house and stolen items/ money, etc. you feel that would be okay?
Doc, I think that's an excellent question. For me at least, of course i would be upset if someone broke in my house and stole from me. But, if i found out the reason behind that.......i have to admit it would break my heart and i KNOW i would not press charges. I am by nature very open minded and a deep thinker. There is many things that have been done to me that were not exactly honorable. I think the key is to peel the layers and try to understand just why that person did or said what they just said. Maybe that is wrong........and maybe i have forgiven a lot in my life where many may not have. I think the key is to understand what the motive was behind it. Lips |
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« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2009, 04:35:00 PM » |
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I do enjoy a good debate, especially one involving ethics. I walk a fine line on the question/scenario as you put it before us as I am surrounded by law enforcement personnel in my family (brother is a State Trooper, daughter & son-in-law are both Deputies and husband is retired Deputy). In addition, there is a list of moral standards by which I try to base my life and morals on (The Ten Commandments) and "Thou shall not steal" is #8 on that list.
I suppose I would do my absolute best to exhaust ALL other resources, including public pleas on local news stations & the community in a plea for help. I would sell off anything of value I owned in order to lawfully obtain the medication for my loved one but I speak honestly in that I would not do that for a stranger, nor would I steal to save the life of a stranger. I would also have to be willing to accept the consequences of my actions if I were to steal and be prepared to go to jail (where my daughter says that arrested family members will always have "the best cell"). Hard question to answer on a "what if" because we all handle things differently when put before a desperate situation. As much as I LOOOOOVE my dogs....and horse....and parrots...and cows....I would not steal medication to save their lives. I provide for their needs often before my own, but couldn't....wouldn't break the law.
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