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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2011, 05:32:00 AM » |
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I wouldn't change him for anything although I do look at him like an alien when he eats left over pasta with hot sauce for breakfast and I have toast.
I agree whole heartedly that quirks help to maintain that spark. Opposites do attract.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2011, 09:17:11 PM » |
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I feel the same way that opposites do attract. Two quiet shy people would bore each other to death and two wild and crazy people would be bouncing off the walls together.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 07:56:02 AM » |
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Let me give a brief psychological interpretation here. First, we give off "signals" in attracting a mate. These signals were constructed from our formation in our families of origin and how we are basically "wired." Yes, yes, yes...there is a magical/romantic component; however, never underestimate how we are psychologically put-together is a HUGE factor in who we attract. We don't "get who we deserve" (Though often we do!) rather, we get who we are wired to attract. Also, always remember, people MIGHT adjust routines and a few habits. (Yes, men can learn to put the toilet seat up!) But, to try to significantly change who someone fundamentally IS can be a messy, frustrating business. Nagging someone into changing hardly ever works. And nagging someone who has chronic bad behavior or addiction runs the high risk of them engaging more deeply into the bad behavior. (In other words, PLENTY of drunks found in the gutter had just been nagged the night before by their spouse to stop drinking. Plently of people who drive home from Vegas broke and the credit cards maxed out were naggged by a spouse to stop gambling.) 1. Pick a generally healthy spouse TO BEGIN WITH. 2. Accecptance therapy. Rejoice in your partners differences!
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 08:47:49 AM » |
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Accecptance therapy Hey Doc, is the answer to all questions in therapy? I understand,, being its your "professional deformation" , you are pro therapy. But to me its just a waste of money. Maybe its a cultural thing, but here we do not have the habit of going to shrink for every little thing. I agree there is a financial aspect too ( being that our living standard cant compare to US ), but we are raised to solve problems on our own and the true shrinks here are our friends and families that we share those problems with. Maybe Im generalizing now, but to me it seems that in US is common thing to have your own psychiatrist. Let me ask you this. Why would you get charged $100/hour, for one therapy meeting, when you can spend $10 on beers with your mates and get the same or even better advice from them? They know you better after all. Why become a prozac nation when you can have a good ole drinking problem  cheers Zuga
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 12:43:26 PM » |
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Interesting debate you raise Zuga.
I think there is basically pros and cons to therapy and it's way too overrated. In many instances therapy is never the cure all. I believe the only time therapy may be instrumental is when a person can't get a grip on a particular in their life and seek outside help. Even in those cases the number of cases where the patient falls victim to the same demons that taunted them to begin with is staggering.
Yes for some they can go to the local pub have a beer and talk it out with their closest friends. But what about the people who won't open up or can't open up. Not everyone can do this. Especially if there is a deep seeded issue within themselves that they would never share with another soul and needs to be worked through.
People can be very judgmental and i don't care how close you are to them there is going to be things they simply can't comprehend. For example say a person with a serious gambling problem may have very close friends that are not gamblers. There can be very unsympathetic friends who basically will say "you got what you deserved"!
But to go to a therapy for every little thing to me is ridiculous. Before you know it your going to a therapist because your addicted to therapy!
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 12:58:13 PM » |
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I'm not disputing therapy could be helpful to some, especially in some more serious cases, where the professional help is required. But that goes only to small percentage IMO. I do believe that for the average person, whether its American or Serbian, therapy is not a solution. I think we all can deal with our problems without seeking for professional help. cheers Zuga
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 07:11:00 PM » |
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persoannly, it's why I have lovers and friends; bitch to the lover about friend and vice versa, as well, as seeking advice from one for the other and balancing it out with my own opinionns and insight
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 07:05:19 AM » |
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Zuga....well, first of all, I used to charge $300 an hour, not $100  And, I would have to agree with you. There are lots of people in therapy who should quit therapy, get outside, get some friends, and yes "have a beer." However, there are lots of people who are having a beer who need therapy. Right now in the USA in the city of Tucson has been ravaged by a man who probably should have been in therapy along the way. And.....there are lots of victimized people who probably should get some measure of help. In my years of doing counseling (remember, I don't do it anymore.) I have found therapy on works to the degree people are willing to make changes. I used to be amazed at people, or famlies, who would come to see me for months or years with some sort of malfunctioning "issue." In therapy I would lead them to many "ah-ha" type moments; yet they stayed stuck in their malfunctioning because they ultimately would not make changes.
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 10:59:27 AM » |
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Hey Doc, now your talkin about serious stuff here. In your past sessions, your advocating, (incourageing people to change)? This type of counseling is only for the people, outside of the law. (ex. drug, alcohol, sex, etc.). For people with issues, that are inside the law compromise, and only compromise, is the remedy. Unless I've been totally out in right field for years, and the industry, has done a 180 degree turn. I think it's safe to say, in general people are aware of the terrible rate of success, change therapy has, when applied to us human individuals. Zuga, your thoughts on the issue are 100% correct. AS I mentioned above, the serious issues need to be dealt with on that level, ( change therapy, would be comparable to shock therapy). Daily issues, where people break down, or feel they need therapy, ( ex. I'm having a terrible day beause my car didn't start this morning) simply put, these are Co- dependent issues. As humans, we can work through these, not all of us, but the majority can. For an individual, believeing they need therapy for their daily issues, all their doing is switching their Co. Any good professional will imediately see this, and encourage the individual to basically get a grip, and deal with it, ( this occurs quickly, after only a few visits). Some people need to be taught tricks to believe in themselves, and apply these tricks, to the decisions they make in life, to succeed in a proper way. Man, now I'm starting to pick apart this topic. Probably went to far. I gotta say this, Doc, maybe I miss-understood your last post. I stand corrected if I did . If I didn't, could you please be a bit more specific? Rico
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 12:25:23 PM » |
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Very well said rico! I agree with you. I think that to much emphasis for change is put on the human condition. It's as if were trying to mold people into something that is not natural.
So your car don't start........is it really a bad thing to get ticked off! Of course it's not. That would tick anyone off and i would shutter to think anyone would need therapy for that. I know you just gave an example here but it hits home on the reality of therapy for every little thing in one's life.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2011, 07:01:57 PM » |
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Rico...well worded! I was basically responding to Zuga's statement "to me its just a waste of money." Yes, at times it sure IS a waste of money. (But, when I was a psychologist if someone wanted to pay me $300 to tell me lies, exhibit denial, or try to convince me they are well adjusted....well....why not???  !!) But, there are people who benefit from therapy: People going through divorce, job loss, victims of violent crime, children who have been molested, etc. Even on this site people have stated regarding their gambling they are at a point they "need to get some help." Contrary to Zuga's respectable experience, therapy is more than getting "advice." In fact, no theraputic discipline understands itselfself as advice-giving. Additionally, while getting a "beer with your mates" may really be preferable (Works, for me!), with many it would be insufficient. I am thankful for this good forum where ideas are freely exchanged. Cheers!
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